Agenda item

Questions asked by members under Standing Order 7(3) and 7(5).

Minutes:

Mr John Legrys asked the following questions of the Chairman under Standing Order 7(3):-

 

A.        General County Wide Policy

 

The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 Section 62A-E give the police powers to remove travellers trespassing, providing a suitable pitch was available on a local authority managed site in the same LA area.  The Housing Act 2004 Section 225 ten years later required councils to carry out an assessment of need for traveller sites and, if a shortfall was found, to prepare a strategy in respect of the meeting of such needs and to identify land for new sites. 

 

1.                  What was the result of the assessment for the County of Leicestershire?

2.                  When was this assessment carried out?

3.                  How many sites/pitches are needed in total across the County? 

4.                  In which districts are they needed?

5.                  How many sites/pitches are needed in each of these districts?

6.                  Is it the intention eventually to have a least one transit site per district?

 

In 2004 a Joint Officer Working Party of the County Council, all District Councils, Leicester City Council and Rutland was formed to develop proposals for the development of suitable sites.  The paper to Cabinet on 16th January 2007, paragraph 13, mentioned that sites have been only been identified by the County Council and the City Council.

 

7.                  Where were the County Sites?

 

8.                  What has happened to these sites?

 

The following have been given as criteria for the selection of suitable transit sites

 

·                    The areas of greatest concentration of unauthorised encampments

·                    Traveller routes

·                    Location of doctors' surgeries and other amenities

·                    Near to established Traveller sites

·                    Good but safe access to major roads

·                    Access to services (water, electricity)

·                    Sites with as low as possible impact on local communities

·                    Accessible to most of the relevant District

 

9.                  What is the origin of each of these criteria?

10.             Are there any other important criteria which have should be included in this list?

 

B.        With respect to a proposed site in the District of NW Leicestershire

 

1.                  How many pitches are being sought for the proposed site?

2.                  How many caravans will this include?

3.                  What is the total population estimated for this site?

4.                  How many adults in total will this include?

5.                  Has there been any estimate of the number of children this will include?

 

6.                  Can you list the sites that were initially surveyed for the transit site in NW Leics? 

 

7.                  Was land in the ownership of British Coal and other large landowners considered?

 

8.                  Were British Coal and the NFU approached regarding sites?

 

9.                  What factors led the Council's property department to recommend the Lockington/Hemington sites?

10.             Why was it decided not to proceed with these sites?

 

11.             Mention was made of feedback from a consultation meeting with North West Leicestershire Parish Councils in March 2007.  Can you list who was invited to this meeting?

 

12.             Were invitations sent to the Parish Councils of Ravenstone, Swannington and Coleorton?

 

13.             If so who were they addressed to?

 

C.        With respect to the current consideration of the three sites in NW Leicestershire

 

1.                  Were any soundings taken before these 3 sites were selected?  If so what?

 

2.                  Have surveys (soil tests etc) been made of any of the proposed sites?  If so, where and when?

 

3.                  Is the property dept working on other sites in NW Leics?

4.                  Why wasn't Scrutiny consulted on the non site specific bid?

 

D.        With respect to the consultation process

 

1.                  Who is being consulted on these three sites (list organisations please)?

 

2.                  Are the police, doctors, schools, PCT being included?

 

3.                  Will revenue and capital funding be available, via section 106 agreements and otherwise to support the local infrastructure in coping with the additional population (schools, doctor surgeries etc)?

 

4.                  Was the existing traveller community in NW Leicestershire consulted?  

 

5.                  Will they be consulted?

 

6.                  What methods were used to publicise the consultation?

 

7.                  What is the normal period of consultation used by the County Council?

 

8.                  Why have five weeks been chosen for this consultation?

 

9.                  Why have no reasons been given for the short period of consultation?  What reasons are there?

 

10.             Is the Citizen's Panel involved in the consultation process, if so why?

 

11.             If so, what weighting will be given to their result?

 

12.             Is it recognised that their response may be skewed given that the majority are unlikely to be remotely affected by the outcome?

 

E.        For Site 1: Land to the north of Ashby Road, Sinope.

 

1.                  How many unauthorised encampments have there been in recent years in this area?

 

2.                  Which existing traveller routes are close to this site, how close are they?

 

3.                  Which doctor's surgery will serve the population of this site?  What population does it currently serve?

 

4.                  Which school will serve the population of this site?  How many pupils does it currently have?  Up to how may additional pupils could it be expected to take?

 

5.                  What other amenities of importance are close to this site?

 

6.                  What other established Traveller sites are in the immediate vicinity?

 

7.                  Is the access to the local major roads considered good and safe?

 

8.                  How busy are these major roads? 

 

9.                  What is their accident record in the area of the site?

10.             What comments have you received from Highways Development Control on the site?

 

11.             How suitable is the entrance access to the site?

 

12.             What access to services (water, sewerage and electricity) does the site have?

 

13.             How accessible is the site to most of the relevant District?

 

14.             What is the size and location of the immediate community?

 

15.             What is the ratio of the proposed population to that of the existing immediate community?

 

16.             Is this considered to have a low impact on the local community?

 

17.             What impact does the Council think the site will have on the settled community?

 

18.             What impact will the site have on local community cohesion?

 

19.             Is the Council's property department doing any work on identifying other sites in NW Leicestershire?

 

20.             If so, where?

 

21.             If so, why?

F.         For Site 2: The former Slaughterhouse, Ashby Road Sinope  

 

1.                  How many unauthorised encampments have there been in recent years in this area?

 

2.                  Which existing traveller routes are close to this site, how close are they?

 

3.                  Which doctor's surgery will serve the population of this site?  What population does it currently serve?

 

4.                  Which school will serve the population of this site?  How many pupils does it currently have?  Up to how may additional pupils could it be expected to take?

 

5.                  What other amenities of importance are close to this site?

 

6.                  What other established Traveller sites are in the immediate vicinity?

 

7.                  Is the access to the local major roads considered good and safe?

 

8.                  How busy are these major roads? 

 

9.                  What is their accident record in the area of the site?

 

10.             What comments have you received from Highways Development Control on the site?

 

11.             How suitable is the entrance access to the site?

 

12.             What access to services (water, sewerage and electricity) does the site have?

 

13.             How accessible is the site to most of the relevant District?

 

14.             What is the size and location of the immediate community?

 

15.             What is the ratio of the proposed population to that of the existing immediate community?

 

16.             Is this considered to have a low impact on the local community?

 

17.             What impact does the Council think the site will have on the settled community?

 

18.             What impact will the site have on local community cohesion?

 

19.             Is the Council's property department doing any work on identifying other sites in NW Leicestershire?

 

20.             If so, where?

 

21.             If so, why?

 

G.        For Site 3: Land at rear of former Snibston Junior School

 

1.                  How many unauthorised encampments have there been in recent years in this area?

 

2.                  Which existing traveller routes are close to this site, how close are they?

 

3.                  Which doctor's surgery will serve the population of this site?  What population does it currently serve?

 

4.                  Which school will serve the population of this site?  How many pupils does it currently have?  Up to how may additional pupils could it be expected to take?

 

5.                  What other amenities of importance are close to this site?

 

6.                  What other established Traveller sites are in the immediate vicinity?

 

7.                  Is the access to the local major roads considered good and safe?

8.                  How busy are these major roads? 

 

9.                  What is their accident record in the area of the site?

 

10.             What comments have you received from Highways Development Control on the site?

 

11.             How suitable is the entrance access to the site?

 

12.             What access to services (water, sewerage and electricity) does the site have?

 

13.             How accessible is the site to most of the relevant District?

 

14.             What is the size and location of the immediate community?

 

15.             What is the ratio of the proposed population to that of the existing immediate community?

 

16.             Is this considered to have a low impact on the local community?

 

17.             What impact does the Council think the site will have on the settled community?

 

18.             What impact will the site have on local community cohesion?

 

19.             Is the Council's property department doing any work on identifying other sites in NW Leicestershire?

 

20.             If so, where?

 

21.             If so, why?

 

H.        Following the Decision

 

1.                  Does the Council accept that the areas around these sites will in effect suffer from planning blight for future years even if the sites are rejected?

 

2.                  What will the Council do in this case to alleviate this concern?

 

3.                  Will the Council give a guarantee that, if a site is ruled out as unsuitable in this exercise, then it will rule out the site from all other future consideration and oppose further applications?

 

I.          Enforcement

 

The Chief Inspector of Police has said that he will still only take into account 'operational issues' and not necessarily move travellers on.  What assurances have been made with regard to enforcement?

 

The Chairman replied as follows:-

 

A.        General County Wide Policy

 

“1 -6    All these questions are dealt with alongside other matters in the 132 page Report entitled “Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland Gypsies’ and Travellers’ Accommodation Needs Assessment (2006-2016)” prepared for the County Council, Leicester City Council, Rutland Council and the seven district councils by the Centre for Regional Studies at the University of Birmingham published in April 2007.  The report is available on the County Council website and formed part of the consultation on the three sites which ended on 2 November, 2007.

 

7.         This information cannot be made public.  The County Solicitor has already indicated in response to a Freedom of Information request that this information is exempt under Section 36 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000, and that the public interest in withholding the information outweighs the public interest of disclosing it.  The exemption applies because disclosure of the information on the sites previously considered for travellers’ camps would prejudice the effective conduct of public affairs as it is conceivable that one or more of the sites identified might be pursued sometime in the future.

 

8.         No further action has been taken in relation to these sites pending consideration of the three sites identified in the report to the Cabinet on 2 November, 2007.

 

9.         The criteria were prepared on the basis of guidance issued by the Gypsy and Traveller Unit within the Department for Communities and Local Government.

 

10.       Following a meeting with Parish Councils in March 2007 one additional criterion was added relating to “the impact on local communities”.

 

B.        With respect to a proposed site in the District of NW Leicestershire

 

1.         12 to 15.

 

2.         24 to 30.

 

3,4,5   A detailed estimate has not been undertaken but experience shows that the population is likely to fluctuate.

 

6.         The only sites which have been surveyed are the 3 sites referred to in the report to the meeting of the Cabinet on 2 October, 2007.

 

7.         No.

 

8.         No.

 

9.         The sites closely met the specified criteria.

 

10.       In the light of representations from Lockington cum Hemington Parish Council and expressions of concern from local people, the Cabinet decided that no further action be taken to proceed with a bid to locate a transit site for travellers at either Hemington or Lockington.

 

11.)    

12.)     Please see Appendix attached at the end of these minutes.

13.)    

 

C.        With respect to the current consideration of the three sites in NW Leicestershire

 

1.         Discussions took place at officer level within the County Council.

 

2.         Some limited, non intrusive, surveys have been undertaken on one site at Sinope and the site at Snibston.

 

3.         Not at present.

 

4.         On 2 October, 2007 the Cabinet agreed in principle that a non-site specific application be made to the East Midlands Regional Assembly for a grant to develop a transit site.  The report to that meeting identified the need for this matter to be brought to the attention of the Scrutiny Commission at its meeting on 7 November, 2007.

 

D.        With respect to the consultation process

 

1.         The following organisations were consulted:-

 

            North West Leicestershire District Council

            Parish Councils in North West Leicestershire.

            Leicestershire Constabulary.

            Department for Communities and Local Government.

            Leicestershire Fire and Rescue Service.

            Children and Young People’s Service and Health Travellers Liaison Teams.

            Travellers’ organisations.

 

2.         These are all covered through consultation with those bodies referred to in the reply to Question D1.

 

3.         No.

 

4.         Yes.

 

5.         See 4 above.

 

6.         The principal methods of publicising the consultation were via the local media, including local newspapers and radio stations, letters to 150 identified houses, displays in public libraries and County Hall and on the County Council’s website.

 

7.         12 weeks wherever possible.

 

8. & 9. Given the deadlines imposed by the bidding process and that the matter did not affect the whole County area, a five week period was set for the process.

 

10.       Yes, it is involved.  The Citizen’s Panel is a useful resource and is invited to respond to most consultations.

 

11.       Members of the Panel are required to provide their postcode so that the analysis of results can reflect responses received from different geographical areas.

 

12.       Yes and the response will be analysed on the basis set out in 11 above.

 

E.        For Site 1: Land to the north of Ashby Road, Sinope.

 

1.         In 2006 there were 32 unauthorised encampments in North West Leicestershire.

 

2.         The A511, M42, A42, A50 and M1.

 

3.         There are doctor's surgeries within 2 to 3 miles of the site.  Further information on the population served by those surgeries has not been obtained but the Health Travellers’ Service have been consulted on the matter.

 

4,5       These questions identify issues which have been addressed in

7 to      general terms in relation to the application of the criteria.

18        However, they will need to be considered in more detail once decisions have been made in relation to grant funding and the development of the specific site still to be determined.

 

6.         There are two sites adjacent to this site.

 

19. to  Not at present.

21.

 

F.         For Site 2: The former Slaughterhouse, Ashby Road Sinope  

 

Please see the replies to Section E above.

 

G.        For Site 3: Land at rear of former Snibston Junior School

 

Please see the replies to Section E above in respect of all except the following:-

 

            6.         There are no traveller's sites in the immediate vicinity.

 

H.        Following the Decision

 

1.         No.

 

2.         Not Applicable.

 

3.         The County Council has not addressed this issue.

 

I.          Enforcement

 

            This is a matter entirely for the Police.

 

Mr Legrys asked the following supplementary questions of the Chairman:

 

a)                 Are officers aware of an e-mail from the Chief Constable which implies that, even if a travellers site were to be established, it would not necessarily result in additional police resources being deployed in the area?

 

b)                 With regard to the answer to question A 7, will the Authority release the information not available under Freedom of Information to local elected members on the basis of ‘need to know’?

 

The Chairman invited Mr Page CC the Cabinet Lead member to reply.  Mr Page then replied ‘Yes’ to both questions.